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The Roy Cohn Playbook, from McCarthyism to Trump

NPR / WHYY· Sep 17, 2026· 45m 45s

In a biography of Roy Cohn, Kai Bird looks at how the lawyer taught President Trump to deny, delay, attack, sue and countersue, never admit defeat, side step paying bills and avoid a paper trail. His book, with co-author Susan Goldmark, is American Scoundrel . He spoke with Terry Gross. Also, Ken Tucker reflects on three of Dolly Parton’s performances that he says demonstrate her range and her unique takes on romance and heartbreak. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and us

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The Roy Cohn Playbook, from McCarthyism to Trump

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  1. Welcome to the program. I'm your host.

    Welcome to the program. I'm your host.

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  2. Today we look at the major stories shaping the news cycle.

    Today we look at the major stories shaping the news cycle.

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  3. We start in Europe, where leaders met in Brussels.

    We start in Europe, where leaders met in Brussels.

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  4. The summit focused on energy policy and migration.

    The summit focused on energy policy and migration.

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  5. Reporting from the ground, our correspondent has more.

    Reporting from the ground, our correspondent has more.

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  6. Thank you. The mood here was tense but constructive.

    Thank you. The mood here was tense but constructive.

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